This interview is with Rev. Doug Van Doren, pastor at Plymouth United Church of Christ in Grand Rapids. The interview is 17 minutes and 30 seconds in length.

Doug talks about his own beginnings in the South African Anti-Apartheid Movement, his involvement with the South African Working Group (part of the Institute for Global Education IGE) and his role in pushing for the City of Grand Rapids to pass a divestment resolution, which ultimately led to the City divesting funds.

In addition, Doug talks about the efforts to get the Grand Rapids School Board to take a position on divestment and an action he and others participated in to disrupt a public sale of South African krugerrands.

Lastly, Doug addresses the significance of the Anti-Apartheid Movement in Grand Rapids. With West Michigan being a major Dutch religious stronghold, the South African government send a delegate to the US to respond to the Anti-Apartheid Movement, making stops in Washington and Grand Rapids.